Yes, Madame, yes! We HAVE mentioned those before. We’ll keep it up though. Sometimes things have to be mentioned a lot and
be around for quite a while before they stick.
I know I’m probably supposed to mention
something about last Thursday’s VP debate.
Ok. Both men performed adequately
for what their “side” sent them up to do: Biden to be the more
assertive/aggressive, and Ryan to be foreign policy savvy and
“vice-presidential” in his first big debate.
Both men along the way threw out deflections, “screens,” and a lot of
other manipulative debating/politicking points.
Mostly so we wouldn’t know the R/R ticket largely doesn’t have realistic
plans and specifics and the O/B ticket doesn’t want to take a black eye over an
obvious bad show (death of ambassador Stevens) before the election.
Turning
to JC’s comments of September 8th (here: http://www.facebook.com/ProfessorandHousewife?sk=notes):
I’m
an Independent. I don’t drink anyone’s
Kool-Aid. I don’t like or put much faith
in Democrats, but their “opposites,” the Republicans, have largely abandoned
rationality and reasonable cooperation in favor of the most petty and often
bizarre obstructionist stances. I
actually respect and heed thoughtful Republicans like David Stockman, Mike
Lofgren, or Olympia Snowe.
While
I have disagreements with Paul Krugman’s stands at times, I don’t categorically
dismiss him or disparage his credentials.
Labeling him a “socialist/economist” is painting a picture that plays
well to American rabid politics, but is not very meaningful. He might be considered a fan of the
socialist/capitalist hybrid on the Scandinavian model, but that doesn’t make
him a socialist. And your use of the
word indicates a bias that can cloud appraisal.
You’ll also have to be more specific about such blanket ideological
assertions that Dr. Krugman is not competent in macro-economics. You may disagree with his positions and conclusions,
but the analytical tools he uses are classic in nature, and just as macro as
other economists.
And
now to the first of the specific points, the assertion that the prime reason
for the problems of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security is that those who
never paid into these “accounts” took money from them. First, there are no “accounts”; that is a
common misconception that plays into the hands of those who want to privatize
these programs. They are just that: programs. They are all three, in effect, insurance,
from those presently working, supplied to the elderly who have ceased work (for
Medicare and Social Security), to those who have become disabled (Social
Security), and to those who are too poor to afford care or who are on the verge
of extreme poverty (Medicaid and Supplemental Social Security).
Social
Security is funded by workers and employers.
Those are inadequate to continue benefits as at present, although even
if there were no “trust funds” and taxes were never raised, the system could go
on in perpetuity if it only paid out 70-80% of the stated benefits. Social Security, at least, is not “going
broke.” Its problems are very
addressable.
Medicare
is funded from three sources (workers, employers, and premiums on
recipients). All three of those sources
are inadequate. Medicare has severe
funding problems, and with the rise of both medical costs and numbers of
elderly, it is a train wreck in the making unless something is done (refer to
my previous post as to why the “Ryan Plan” is not that something).
Medicaid
is not separately funded at all, and comes from general federal and state
revenues. It too has seen its costs
rise, as more people slip into poverty, and more people attempt to get it. It is one of the drivers of state budgets
becoming hard to manage.
Illegal
aliens are not entitled to any of these benefits, although fraudulent obtaining
does occur. It’s just unknown what the
rate of that fraudulent obtaining is.
The
first point needs to be worded more carefully.
Saying “People drawing from Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security who
have never put anything into these accounts” implies use of the actual programs
by freeloaders. This can easily be used
as deceptive, manipulative language.
Words matter.
It
is also largely incorrect even in the subsequent explanation. Yes, the yearly surpluses in Social Security
and Medicare were foolishly and selfishly squandered by a people and their
politicians who irresponsibly delayed hard decisions or even emplaced selfish
ones. That part is true. But the yearly surpluses in those programs,
surpluses used to mask the true size of the deficits, were not spent on
non-taxpayers—unless your professor means the foreign beneficiaries of our
military’s posture and actions. No, the diverted
yearly “surpluses” were spent on a
mixture of misplaced allocation on contractors, on subsidies and corporate
welfare, on defense, intelligence, security, etc. and also, in one form or
another, directly or indirectly, on the citizens who were largely already
paying the Social Security and Medicare taxes.
Was that spending often misplaced allocation of resources? Yes. And
it helped us cover our underfunding of the government to go along with our
overspending on the above. Was it
largely spending on the non-working? Yes
and no, often no.
Point
two is simply incorrect (see here: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/social-security-for-illegal-immigrants/). It has never
been legal to pay Social Security, Medicaid, or Medicare to illegal
aliens. Has fraud sometimes
occurred? Yes, and so has a lot of
Medicare and Medicaid fraud unrelated to illegal aliens. Has all that been enough to be a root cause,
let alone THE root cause, of our fiscal problems? No.
Calculations of pay ins and pay outs in the 3 mentioned programs generally
run along actuarial expectations, with the margin of error in calculation generally
no more than 7% or so. Is 7% too much? Yes.
But that’s the high end of the estimate.
And it’s not determinative exactly WHAT is causing that variance.
Even
children born here of illegal immigrants, children who eventually receive
“benefits,” usually enter the work force and begin paying, yes, payroll
taxes—Social Security and Medicare. Even
many illegals pay these taxes—even though they may never qualify for them.
Do
we have a problem with the poor from elsewhere wanting to get the “good life”
in America? Yes, another problem that
comes with marked disparity—and desperation—between next door neighbors (if
Mexico became more prosperous like Canada, much of the illegal immigrant
difficulty would go away—we don’t have an illegal Canadian immigration problem). Does this problem manifest with some
illegally or loophole obtaining of benefits?
Yes. Once again, it’s not the
driver. More likely a kid in the back
seat.
Social
Security and Medicare should not be compared to IRAs or 401ks. First because those programs are primarily
insurance, not investments, and function largely as transfer payments between
generations. Second, because those investment
vehicles you name have been abused by Wall Street to deceive Americans that
those Americans could “control” their “own” money rather than having it “locked
away” with “no control” in a pension plan.
When, in reality, those average investors were at the mercy of traders
and funds managers, while pension trustees usually got better deals and better
results because of their greater collective leverage. So this idea of “accounts” is more
privatization code-talk by those beholden to a greedy Wall Street. A Wall Street that salivates at the prospect
of more large amounts of money they can make big profits on and leave the
ill-informed and near-powerless small investor depleted and whipsawed. You can almost see the subliminal “sucker”
message.
As
for whether those who paid into Social Security and Medicare may not get what
they paid for, because much of the money was diverted: There’s a great amount of truth to that. But once again, the people—a largely
apathetic people, a people with poor knowledge about, or valuing of, civics,
politics, or history—let it happen.
While their politicians did do them a leaderless disservice, it is just
as much true, in a way, that the people largely only have their own willful
ignorance, uncaring attitudes, and selfishness to blame. They devote most of their energies to things
other than how their government and their society functions (or doesn’t).
1 comment:
Thank you so much for “correcting ” perceptions about the entitlement programs.
I believe that there are no correct or incorrect answers. Just sharing different insights and views, agreements or disagreements. Everyone’s opinion is valued equally.
Now back to whether illegal aliens get government benefits:
Sure, certain aspects of the law say they don't get benefits.
But go back and click on the "link" provided by PJ there are many exceptions called "humanitarian" exceptions. It is illegal to ask an illegal if they are illegal! In addition, I have known that my friend have owned immigration practices for years, those illegal alien they can apply all kind of immigration exception to become legally. So they will entitle to get all the benefits. I have known people who work at the highest levels of the SS administration in MO. They understand that the US spends billions on illegal aliens. They approve the payments.
In the US-Mexico Social Security "Tantalization Agreement".......... a US citizen must work at least 10 years to obtain the minimum SS benefit. But a Mexican can come to the US........ illegally......work illegally...... and not pay any income tax.......... but only have to work 5 years to obtain the minimum SS benefit.
The problems with communism/socialism and liberals are that command economies: (top down allocation of economic resources and product choices) do not work.
The important thing is that the US must drastically and immediately cut funding to BIG GOVERNMENT........ and payments and subsidies to illegal aliens........ before they cut a single dollar to welfare payments to our own citizens! In reality,US do not have enough funds to pay those "humanitarian" exceptions.
It is no coincidence that during the last four years of the Obama administration, with the largest deficits in history.......... that the Federal Government has operated WITHOUT a budget...... even though a budget is mandated by law.
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